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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.28 06:41:00 -
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EVE didn't come falling out of the sky and EVE isn't as original as everyone think it is. Homeworld was revolutionary because it led to EVE and other games. Now I'm just waiting for Homeworld online to be created and released. I will leave EVE without a thought. So why am I playing EVE? Because there's no alternative to EVE. There simply is no other game like it.
CCP are a bunch of amatures because there is NO concequence for any wrongdoing on the part of CCP employees. I used to play a game called Knight Online and it was a great game untill it came to light that K2 (the company running KO) was actively helping one certain clan in the game. This clan had friends in K2 and all they had to do was ask for whatever they wanted and they got it. They were given characters and items which were editted for them. Then special events for that clan were held and everyone else was excluded from these things. Then one day a GM got banned and his great crime was not helping this clan. The leader of this clan had demanded something which this GM refused to give/do and he got punished. In the wake of this ban nearly all GM's left and only a few were left. 99% Of the time there was no GM online so cheating was rampant and then when the GM's did come online the only clan that was exempt from bans was that one particular clan.
Are CCP actively involed in helping a clan/alliance? I can't claim that but there is NO concequence for anything that any of their employees does. t20 Would have been banned from any normal MMO but because he either has friends in the management of CCP or adds some 'value' to the team of developers he was kept. Is this good for the game? Sure it is, untill an alternative is released and the game dies. Then we can all sit back and say, well done CCP. You killed a great game and that's exactly what CCP are doing. And thus you can all go on and on about what laws CCP base the corruption in the game on but it's obvious that CCP won't care untill the company no longer exists.
Obviously CCP are a corrupt firm because certain individuals in the game have Dev's MSN. If this isn't corrupt then why shouldn't we have them too? Why not make them public and not hide behind so called EULA's which are only meant to help a privilged few? Would the game become unbalanced if everyone had a friend who spawned BPO's and whatever else for them and left them there for 6 months? There is NO way that CCP are going to be able to claim the banning of the ISD reporter was done cleanly and legitimately since there NEVER was a petition. Now I'm sure they can edit the databse but we all know that what happened happened at the whim of BoD.
CCP I recommend you get your act together or you WILL go the way many other MMO's have gone. You will pay for this secrecy for which there is absolutely no need. If you don't I pray that Sierra make Homeworld Online. Then you will see how many people stay.
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.28 06:48:00 -
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That was one half of my rant. Getting to the second part:
To prevent EVE from going down in history as a failure I hope that CCP sets concrete rules and regulations which are strictly enforced. This means that any wrongdoing is punished immediately by a ban.
Once these rules are enforced we can have Dev's and GM's playing the game and there's no need for them not to be in any particular alliance/corp/clan because any mistake is harshly dealt with. That will restore credibility and will make the need for another EVE/HW like game unnecessary.
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.28 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ben Nato on 28/05/2007 07:39:47
We pay for quality, regardless of EULA. It may state in the EULA that there's no guarantee yet you still have the right to a refund or a new product simply through the protection of the law. The law on the net is basically non-existant however, CCP are based in Iceland and this Icelandic law apply. Also EVE's server is based in London, and thus British law applies. If neither offer protection then maybe there're EU statutes that do. If not then EVE might be a registed product in the US thus falling under US law aswell. CCP have an office in China and so even fall under Chinese law (which is so lax that a Titan won't have a single problem flying through the holes). Take your pick. EULA has no bearing in this case, only national and international law. There were companies in the EU who did not offer refunds to unsatisfied customers. Laws were introduced to ensure that customers were given the right service regardless of company law and policy.
Do a little research you will see your claims that we only 'pay' for a product without the guarantee that we will get what we pay for is totally deluded. "We can't help you with your 5000 Euro T.V. sir, the EULA states clearly that we will not help you in case of malfunction or any other accident within any timelimit". I thank everyone who posted such trash for protecting rogue traders and I'm glad we have Brussels who will, to the best of their ability, protect us from you.
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:45:00 -
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To claim that the t20 incident was a one off thing is rubbish. The t20 brought the whole corruption to the light because if there was nothing to it then why was the whistleblower banned? Why was t20 rewarded? Because there's more to it than meets the eye. CCP can investigate all they want but the whole t20 affair has damaged their credibility so badly that many will never believe what they say is truth. Kieron can be as nice as he may be and he might have devoted his life to us but he is still being told what to do and what not to do by CCP, his employers. So is he going to tell the truth? Does he have the power to tell the truth? Does he even know the truth? We don't know, don't delude yourselves that you do. You either believe CCP or you don't. Either way there's a propaganda war going on and I've chosen my side. Sure CCP might deny me help and sure I could send a few letters to the Office of Fair Trading in London and Brussels. But by then it's gone too far and it's time for all to leave the game. And this isn't just about DS1 or some stupid pos. This is about BoD having CCP/Dev's MSN and being able to contact them through different channels, channels which we aren't privileged to.
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:15 ] Orange Species > isd reporters are not to interfere with gameplay
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:22 ] Orange Species > that includes getting too close
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:25 ] Orange Species > to our ships
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:32 ] D4kkon > petition her
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:57 ] Orange Species > nah no petition
[ 2007.03.20 06:31:00 ] Orange Species > msn chat is enough
[ 2007.03.20 06:31:05 ] D4kkon > rgr
Be fair, be open and do your job CCP!! Give us all Dev's MSN adresses. Don't just repeat CCP by claiming that the investigation will be fair. If BoD can just contact their Dev mates and have an ISD reporter banned then there's something seriously wrong and the core of this apple is more than rotten.
Mirial was in browsing (illegally) one of these ISD forums when one of the 'recommended' story paths was mandated by CCP, namely "_____ side must win, see to this immediately."
NOW THAT IS FAIRNESS!!!!
All of you with common sense, please respond to my post and please tell us all why CCP won't give us all Dev's MSN addresses.
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:56:00 -
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The gassing of the Jews didn't affrct most the world so why did they get involved in the war anyway?
Oh wait, this is a game not reality. Stick your head in the sand and lie to yourself that the money you pay to CCP is only to play a game and if the CEO ever decides to take the money and run then whatever.
Oh sorry, that was also reality. Eh... people with common sense please come help me out!
People who say this doesn't affect them have never left 1.0 let alone fought in a major war like the war raging now. You're fighting and the pos is going down then all of a sudden the opposing teams ships become indestructible. Your whole fleet gets wasted. It's a game man, so what that you worked hard for a year for that cap ship? So what that you paid money to a company that will help a side because they can? So what that people who lose over and over again get fed up and leave to play a better game? So what that you're the last person in the game? It's a game!!!
The war in Vietnam didn't affect most of the war so why were they against it?
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.28 12:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Ulii
Originally by: Ben Nato
The gassing of the Jews didn't affrct most the world so why did they get involved in the war anyway?
oh, you have some really high thoughts about humanity! to think that is the reason any country got involved in WW2 is... well... noot fit for an adult (or a child older than 10)
france got invloved for obvius reasons, england was treatened, us got scared of an united (and agressive) europe, russia got backstabbed, smaller countries was forced, africa belonged to europe, asia got their own agenda.
NOTHING had anything to do with the jews!
on topic:
I think it is good that the devs play. but they have to be careful what they do and it might not be apropirate to have an inportant possision in an alliance or stay too long on the same side of a war, for the risk of inacceptible godly interventions
And what about all the countries who weren't 'backstabbed' but got involved because they did it out of principle? And that's what it's about, principle. If you have no principle then it doesn't affect you.
But now let's get back to EVE shall we? ISK farmers, they don't affect either of us so why would we care? They inflate the economy and basically destroy it, but it's a game. So who cares? Who cares that you keep rowing upstream and fighting a losing battle? It's only a game. People who think that lack morals and principles because who cares what goes on anywhere? It doesn't affect you and this is why CCP has been able to get away with whatever it is that they want.
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.29 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ben Nato on 29/05/2007 05:19:35
As I said, the problem isn't them playing but there being no concequences for their actions. CCP don't care about what happens as long as people pay. That is NOT legal and people ignorent of the law should stop posting that it is. You pay and therefor you should get quality. Stop being a fool and stop posting drivel, look into the law and then post. Surprising it's the BoD/CCP supporters who post this crap, can't possibly be a coincident.
I intend to lobby Sierra for Homeworld Online, competition will force CCP into either solvency or something that they haven't got now: care.
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cathy Penflam
I really like the "everyone is guilty until proven innocent" basis of the OP argument. Followed by a "let's not let them be tempted by this apple, just tie their hands".
Dear OP, would you be so kind as to tell us where you come from to have such nice ideas, so that I can avoid this place. I'm quite attached to my human rights you see...
I'd say either the UK or the US. Anyway if we're going to tie people up because they might be tempted I'd say we start with the Dev's and while we're at it throw them off a cliff. And if BoD don't like it they can follow suit  . Farjung, leave BoD before they get to you! Or if you're going to stay give me a Vindy with supaaaa setup.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm a Goon BoD hating alt. Convo me in game if you don't like that and want to pod me.
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
i thank you all for all the nice replay's and i ask now as the op of this tread for a moderater to lock this tread,
as i would say everything have been said and it's now a repeating and again i thank you all for giving your oppinion:)
Nothing will change whether the thread is closed or kept open and that shows how much they care about us.
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Ben Nato
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
This is their game...they can do what they want to...I only wonder if you all complained and cried this hard when you played WoW?
Another dillusional person who will buy a T.V without caring about it breaking. Good going.
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